So, I sold a (slightly) haunted house

[Debi]

Steve, have you ever heard of a tulpa? Derren Brown's experiment simply proved that one can be created with energy from the mind. Form follows thought. These entities are created in much the way a poltergeist is formed....with the energy available to all of us. I've worked with this energy for many years, and one can form and create things...including tulpas. If you put forth a meme in a group or even society, it can be created by the thought process alone.

I've worked with old magic in Wicca, and the general theme is creating from will. This process is now being proven in science. I'll have to dig back on some old threads to pull up the articles posted about that very thing.

As for spirits and entities, I have actually visually seen these things and felt their affects. Good paranormal investigators will also be sure they write down separately what they have seen and not talk about it before comparing. It's something I've done with others before, and the results of what was witnessed was bang on by all three people. My husband was a total non-believer for years, until an entity picked him up off the bed he was sitting on, slammed him into a wall with his feet off the floor and held him there for several seconds before releasing him. His doubt is gone after that little adventure.

When I had activity in the above said house, I noticed it right away but said nothing to anyone. The best test is to wait and see if someone else notices something amiss. Within 72 hours, my son, who is your age, came flying down the hall telling me I better call a priest. After that, people who came by often mentioned that the house felt a little "off", "creepy", "dark" etc. About two months later, my friend who is a Benedictine nun came to stay for a week. After the first night she approached me and told me she felt it, heard it, and knew a spirit was there. This is not an "old" home, either. Simple brick ranch built in 1970, so really should not have the creep affect it was having on everyone.

I give you these things as facts as I know them. It is not my intention to make you a believer nor is it my intention to push any of my beliefs on you. After many years, I have no need to "make" anyone a believer. People who seek shall find their own answers in their own way and time. I encourage you to keep seeking, with an open mind to what is not visible, and an open heart to what is possible beyond our physical forms.

 

[Debi]

Found it!

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/535...-particles-influenced-by-human-consciousness/

Well, Steve, you wanted synchronisity, so I'm back here to edit this in tonight....
We have a talk show here called Ground Zero with Clyde Lewis. The show starts right now but is available on podcasts. He posts his article for his show each night at about 9PM. I just pulled it up and read it. Please, take the time to read this one. And then let me know if you were just a wee bit surprised.

http://www.groundzeromedia.org/rephaim-following-the-dark-shadows/

 

[Naked Apple]

Seriously?! Dave Schrader just did a show on EXACTLY this last Friday when he filled in on Coast to Coast!

 

[Debi]

Seriously?! Dave Schrader just did a show on EXACTLY this last Friday when he filled in on Coast to Coast!

Yup...and then I read Clyde's article after I had answered Steve. All about tulpas, the experiment, and the multiverses of quantum physics.

 

[steveyraff]

Although I haven't checked out Ground Zero just yet, I read that article Debi - thanks for that! Very interesting. Actually, it spurred me on to look up William A Tiller, the Stanford scientist doing this research.

Funny, I don't know why up until a few weeks ago I really started reading into quantum theory. I've seen the term and associated terms floating around for years and years, but presumed it was just some form of deep physics that was utterly beyond me. Recently, as I've been asking myself a lot of deep questions, and trying to find any morsel of scientific evidence to explain some of the unexplainable, it seems to keep directing me back to quantum theory. I think this is the first time in my life I have an understand of its definition and what its all about and it amazes me that it seems to be a way of brining science into some of my long un answered questions. Actually, what I find even more amazing, is that some of my deepest thoughts and questions which I thought was probably my own crazy musing that no one else probably thinks about, turns out to be some of the things this genuine branch of science is looking into and giving some thought to. I find that very exciting and it rids me of any feelings of isolation.

One thing remains though, on any definition of 'Quantum Theory' you will always have to start that it is theoretical - The mathetical formulations of quantum mechanics are abstract. But I guess for scientists to even consider possibilities and to move forward, they have to use guesswork and theorise until they hit something that makes sense. A bit like finding answers first, then working back to see how it could be possible - and some seem very possible now. At least to me.

In this way, I keep an open mind and consider some of the more credible stories I hear about supernatural interactions to be possibly true. Instead of completely disregarding ALL of them, some seem genuinely recounted so I ask myself I wonder could this be true and I wonder HOW this could be true? That gets me thinking about things like, ok if this is true, are these ghosts from a nether world, or are these physical supernatural happens caused by energy created totally in our minds. Like a poltergeist for example - could I convince myself that there is a poltergeist so much that things start moving in a room. Because if so, then I'd believe the movement to be created by conscience manipulated energy rather than some form of 'evil spirit'. The latter still strikes my logically thinking brain as very far fetched.

I hope by reading this, you understand that you don't have to prove anything to me. I am aware you know that, you've said that you don't feel you have anything to prove to anyone - that makes me believe you more if anything. I just want you to know I am not looking for people to prove their encounters with me, I'll usually make up my own mind whether I believe it or not anyway. But when I do think they may be telling the truth, you now know what my thoughts are.

By the way, at the time of posting this I still haven't heard of a Tulpa before. I will check this out later - sounds interesting!

Thanks Debi.

P.S
I really DON'T want to experience being picked up off the floor and slammed against a wall to convince me lol. YIKES! That is terrifying!!!

 

[Lazarus]

I hear stories like this from time to time, which pass my skepticism, because I believe it too random for anyone to have the time and energy to just fabricate and make up. I'm still unsure what it means though and as much as I believe some of these experiences really have happened people - I still have contradictory thoughts as to how it happens.

I understand though, what you say about these people having no clue, or no way of knowing that an older woman and a young man died at the premises. I guess it is a little too difficult to say it was a good guess or a coincidence.

Say - do you guys in the US know of a UK television magician called Derren Brown? He isn't really a magician. He doesn't really do tricks or illusions etc. He works more with human psychology - so because of that, he is one of the few of his kind I can tolerate to watch. Anyway, he did an episode about the whole ghost thing. He gathered a group of people to an old derelict college building or something (you may be able to find this show online). He told them a story about how a cult mass suicide took place at this location. He showed them photos of each of the members who killed themselves in the building they were gathered and explained to them in detail, the story. They'd all went down to the basement and drank a concoction of bleach in a ritual. Anyway, Derren had taken them here at night time and then split them all up, and placed each one alone in separate rooms where each cult member killed themselves. He then spoke to them via ear pieces and gave them a panic button. He did various things to raise tension and summons any spirit activity.

Most of the people involved in the experiment felt movement, something touching, pushing, breathing on them, changes in temperature, hearing voices, experiencing contact that corresponded with the pictures of the cult members. Most panic buttons were pressed and they freaked out and needed taken out of there.

Turns out, everyone in the photographs were alive and well, the story was entirely fictional, and the building was relatively new with no historic past. It didn't make a fool of these people, in my mind. It proved the power of the human mind.

Anyway, this is a very long winded way of getting to my story lol. I live in rural Ireland. Middle of no where. On a farm surrounded by acres of open land. My house has apparently been here for perhaps 200 years. Before my grandparents lived here, their relatives lived here. My father was born here and it was a bit of a shack back then. When he was about my age (30), he renovated it because of his marriage to my mother, and my birth. I was born in 1984. We moved in a few years later. My grandparents were still alive so they lived in a smaller apartment at one side of the larger renovated house. Their apartment was in part of the old building.

When I was little, my parents would sometimes go away for a night on vacation, and I would stay with my grandparents in their apartment, at the side of the house. I remember being convinced the room was haunted. I'd lay there in this old spare room, surrounded by pictures and painting of old relatives. I'd lie dead still in bed, the clothes sticking to me with sweat, fear and panic until the early hours of the morning. I'd be trembling with fear. I'd stare hard at curtains and convince my self they are moving. I used to go down the hall way and sit outside my grandparents bed room as they slept to be close to them because I was scared, but too afraid to wake them and tell them so. As I lay there, I'd listen down the hall towards the room I was staying in. I'd hear DEFINITE thuds, bumps and on one occasion a very loudly audible dragging sound. I'd be so insanely terrified to make my way back down into the room to try to go back to sleep.

To this day, I know I heard those noises. That is not made up.

My grandfather lived long, and only passed last December. I have spent since that time renovating his apartment, next door to my parents house. Myself and my girlfriend of 7 years now live here. I think we've lived here for about 6 months now. Because the house is completely mordernised, I forget its the same building at all. Its crazy for me to think that as I type this, I am sitting in that very room I was terrified of - but its now our living room, and its 1:30am, and my grandfather who recently passed away lived here, and there is no sign of paranormal activity in the slightest. The thought hasnt even crossed my mind.

Thats not to say I am completely debunking this as all psychological - don't get me wrong. I told you before in my previous posts that I am extremely reliant on scientifically backed up thinking - but that I think science could develop to such an extent in the future, that it may make paranormal theories completely and totally plausible and explainable and prove them to be true and real.

My point being, I don't know if it is psychologically 'made up'. Maybe if such supernatural activity exists, it enters a willing and accepting mind to manifest itself within. A lot of people who completely dismiss ghosts will never experience them. Yet, a lot of people who accept evil with open arms with claim to be possessed.

I'm not sure where its psychological, and where it may be something real that is being granted access.

As for stories like you said, where these people had literally no idea at all and knew it was an elderly woman and a young man, that really is fascinating. I wonder how they already felt about the idea of ghosts? Since they seemed to ask you the question in such a nonchalant manner, it would suggest they too had open minds and willingness to accept and believe in the reality of these things before they knew of the premises history. I wonder how much that has to play in it if anything?

Again, I'm just typing as I am thinking, so I am sorry for the rant or the amount of times I may have contradicted myself.

I loved reading this story though - its provided food for thought as always. Thanks for sharing!
Steve.

One of your comments really interested me, and that one was in reference to the "psychological".

When someone sees something, that is explained by scientific materialism, it is deemed, "psychological;" That is, the brain creates it, an illusion, and therefore that explains it. But one must also understand that we still do not really understand consciousness. The materialists, ASSUME that consciousness comes from matter, a product of matter, yet even believing in that assumption doesn't really give us a handle on what consciousness really is.

Have you read Sheldrake's the 10 dogmas of science? He is a scientist, who has a problem with assumptions that we make, that then become dogma. And science by definition should contain no assumptions, nor dogmas. Yet scientific materialism, from which all science used to be grounded on, is a very questionable foundation.

Sheldrake wants the scientific method to be applied to these 10 dogmas, but the High Priests of science want nothing to do with it. They don't want their assumptions called into question, just like any other religion.

Now all of what I said is relevant to the topic at hand. For someone to say something is just "psychological" while not knowing what consciousness is.....can you see the incoherence, or is this old brain just wore out? LOL. I am as old as dirt, not particularly bright, although I actually am college educated, or college miseducated might be a more apt term to describe me.

One thing that has always fascinated me was the placebo effect. It seems at least 30 percent of those tested notice improvement even when they were taking sugar pills. In some cases the placebo effect was greater than the real drug itself, as Sheldrake has said. As you said, consciousness is a very powerful thing, and perhaps even powerful enough to manifest these ghosts. But this may not be an illusion but as real as the chair I am sitting in.

I feel, I sense, today, that matter, the universe, life, is manifested from a consciousness, and some people call that consciousness God. And the each of us, being self conscious have a spark of that creative consciousness within us and without us. I don't feel consciousness is confined to matter, to the brain. The brain serves as a reducing valve of sorts, to handle billions of data, and what can be handled is limited by the brain itself. The brain is an instrument, of matter, that is able to tune in, like a radio, or tv set. It is also a pinpoint in which consciousness concentrates itself, like a drum that when beat, responds in its own manner of response. But like the drum, the consciousness expands outward from the pinpoint, the drum. Of course this is pure conjecture, but I seem to intuit some of it.

Oh, welcome aboard sir, as I forgot to do that. We hope you stick around for I love reading your thoughts.

 

[Debi]

As I've stated before, I agree with Laz on the Tv/radio analogy of the brain as a receptor of an outer energy/field.

What I'd also like to add is this: I agree that we can create things with our mind/energy. I believe we can influence our bodies, health, and even create tulpas, which science is now proving. However, we cannot automatically assume that "all spirits and ghosts are created by the mind." This is like comparing apples and oranges and putting them all in the same box with one label. The soul/spirit is also part of this same energy/field, as Laz states, and it is my belief that it is a creation of the Godhead/Creator force, not something of our own creation. Yes, we have the power to influence and create. But I believe that there is an overall Force that created the soul/spirit...the ultimate creative energy, if you will, that brings consciousness to creation.